I've been able to win through a lot of them even when I think my opponent thought they had the win. My main beef with Torment of Hailfire is that you get a lot of options to work around it as well, using your life total, cards in hand and cards on the battlefield to keep yourself in the game even after a potential big one, and are subsequently able to squeeze out the victory regardless. Too be honest I'm not even sure why I'm counter arguing these cards uses compared to Torment of Hailfire. Admittedly the Flash is more for Academy Rector or Arena Rector, but it does have other targets. I cast Dramatic Reversal a few days ago to generate mana in a storm deck and I cast Flash today using Cavalier of Dawn in my Aminatou deck for great value. It's mana intensive and doesn't slot into every deck, sure, but that's not the argument you were making. Torment is a one card combo in that the only thing you need to make it work is lots of mana, which is already a useful thing outside of Torment. Reversal's mana cost is irrelevant because zero people are casting it without Scepter and Flash is still a dead card without Hulk. PDH - Drake - Graverobber - Izzet GM - Tallowisp - Symbioteīrawl - Feather - Ugin - Jace - Scarab - Angrath - Vraska - Kumena But for now, this card can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.įalco - Gluntch - Charlatan/Wilson - Garth - Kros - Anthousa - Shigeki - Light-Paws - Lukka - Sefris - Ebondeath - Rokiric - Garth - Nixilis - Grist - Mavinda - Kumano - Nezahal - Mavinda - Plargg - Plargg - Extus - Plargg - Oracle - Kardur - Halvar - Tergrid - Egon - Cosima - Halana+Livio - Jeska+Falthis+Obosh - Yeva - Akiri+Zirda - Lady Sun - Nahiri - Korlash - Overlord+Zirda - Chisei - Athreos2 - Akim - Cazur+Ukkima - Otrimi - Otrimi - Kalamax - Ayli+Lurrus - Clamilton - Gonti - Heliod2 - Ayula - Thassa2 - Gallia - Purphoros2 - Rankle - Uro - Rayami - Gargos - Thrasios+Bruse - Pang - Sasaya - Wydwen - Feather - Rona - Toshiro - Sylvia+Khorvath - Geth - QMarchesa - Firesong - Athreos - Arixmethes - Isperia - Etali - Silas+Sidar - Saskia - Virtus+Gorm - Kynaios - Naban - Aryel - Mizzix - Kazuul - Tymna+Kraum - Sidar+Tymna - Ayli - Gwendlyn - Phelddagrif - Liliana - Kaervek - Phelddagrif - Mairsil - Scarab - Child - Phenax - Shirei - Thada - Depala - Circu - Kytheon - GrenzoHR - Phelddagrif - Reyhan+Kraum - Toshiro - Varolz - Nin - Ojutai - Tasigur - Zedruu - Uril - Edric - Wort - Zurgo - Nahiri - Grenzo - Kozilek - Yisan - Ink-Treader - Yisan - Brago - Sidisi - Toshiro - Alexi - Sygg - Brimaz - Sek'Kuar - Marchesa - Vish Kal - Iroas - Phelddagrif - Ephara - Derevi - Glissa - Wanderer - Saffi - Melek - Xiahou Dun - Lazav - Lin Sivvi - Zirilan - Glissa - Ashling1 - Angus - Arcum - Talrand - Chainer - Higure - Kumano - Scion - Teferi1 - Uyo - Sisters Maybe if wizards printed more ways to effectively combat mass bounce OUTSIDE of blue it wouldn't be so bad. ![]() As a green player it infuriates me to no end. I'm just sick of having to sit down against a blue deck knowing that at some point in the game there will be at least one (if I'm lucky) Cyclonic Rift|RTR cast and there isn't a damn thing I can do about it. I'm not here to argue whether or not this card is banworthy, cause that's not the point of this thread. If I had a lighter and enough time I would burn every printing of this card in existence and throw the remains into the trash where they belong. I'll start with one that might ruffle a few feathers: Cyclonic Rift|RTR Either way, this is a thread to talk about those cards! Or maybe it's a card that just personally enrages you to your core for a reason you can't quite put into words. Maybe it's a great card that's been stripped of all it's "coolness" factor because everyone and their mother seems to be running it. Maybe it's a card you think is overrated and never really lives up to its own hype. ![]() What are some cards you are tired of seeing in EDH? I'm talking about the cards that hit the table and just make you roll your eyes out of sheer instinct. (This thread is basically a reverse of the other thread I posted on here a while back)
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